Sales of the Volkswagen ID.3 start today

Sales of the Volkswagen ID.3 start today
Sales of Volkswagen ID.3 start on July 20

The first electric car from Volkswagen built on the new MEB platform is almost here. The Volkswagen ID.3 could be to Europe what the Tesla Model 3 is to North America, a groundbreaking electric car.

 

According to Herbert Diess, the chairman of the board of management of Volkswagen, the ID.3 is 40 % cheaper to build than the e-Golf.

If you focus on an electric platform, all in all it accounts for a 40% reduction against the predecessor electric Golf. Most of it from cells and the battery system. Around 5-10% comes from dedicating an entire plant to electric vehicles.

 

While the Volkswagen ID.3 adopts the new MEB platform, exclusively made for electric cars, the Volkswagen e-Golf uses the hybrid MQB platform made to allow multiple powertrains.

Nonetheless, most of the savings come by replacing NCM 111 battery cells from Samsung SDI with new more energy-dense NCM 712 cells from LG Chem. The reduction of the cobalt content in NCM 712 batteries allows to achieve around 90 euros per kWh at the battery pack level, which is crucial when the goal is to reach high production levels.

In the future, Volkswagen can further reduce costs by adopting CTP (module-less) batteries that are cobalt-free.

 

Battery costs roadmap by Volkswagen

 

This means that the Volkswagen ID.3 will be highly profitable, but don’t expect it to be at least 40 % cheaper to buy than the e-Golf. With electric cars, production costs and prices are hardly related.

Currently, the reality is that legacy automakers first estimate how many electric cars they need to sell to comply with emissions regulations to only then estimate for how much they can sell them and still find the required customers.

A clear example of this situation is the COVID-19 lockdown, which resulted in a drop of ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) cars sales. This means that automakers no longer need to sell as much electric cars as it was previously estimated to comply with emissions regulations this year.

For this reason in Germany:

  • Until next year SEAT no longer accepts orders for the Mii Electric.
  • A Volkswagen e-up ordered today will only be delivered next year.
  • Previously SKODA stated that the Citigo-e iV would cost way below 20.000 euros before government subsidies, but now the basic version was discontinued and the Citigo-e iV has a starting price of 24.360 euros…

 

Moreover, if there are government subsidies involved, they’ll incentive automakers to artificially inflate the prices. If automakers dropped the prices of their electric cars they would prove that the technology is already mature. This would result on a ban of polluting cars and automakers would also stop receiving subsidies to produce electric cars…

 

The good news is that not only Chinese automakers are about to arrive, but also Tesla will start the production of its electric cars in Germany next year. Therefore, there are good chances that next year not only Volkswagen but also other legacy automakers will sell more electric cars than what is strictly required to comply with EU emissions regulations.

 

Anyway, let’s see the press release.

 

Four weeks after the start of ordering for the limited ID.3 1ST for pre-bookers, Volkswagen is opening the ordering system to the public on July 20, 2020. Customers in many European countries will be able to choose from seven pre-configured ID.3 models at dealerships and to order the appropriate charging equipment at the same time. Buyers will benefit from attractive concessions for charging via WeCharge for up to 3 years. All seven ID.3 models will be eligible for the maximum state subsidy of €9,480 granted as an environmental bonus in Germany. Subsidies will also be available for the ID.3 in many other European countries.

 

Volkswagen ID.3 configurator in Germany

 

While the prices for this year aren’t amazing, I have high hopes for the Volkswagen ID.3, as it seems to be a great electric car for the European market.

Next year we’ll be able to see its true potential with some possible price reductions across all models and the introduction of the entry-level model.

 

 

More info:

https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/press-releases/emission-free-mobility-for-all-sales-of-id3-start-on-july-20-6229

https://www.volkswagen.de/de/modelle-und-konfigurator/id3.html

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Famlin
22 days ago

So customers have to buy it now, but take delivery only in October.
Actually VW started producing ID.3 on 2019-11-04 and they are delivering it in 2020-10 which is 11 months later. Whats the problem in delivering right away.

Something does not sound right.

22 days ago
Reply to  Famlin

Probably software problems.

Blablubb
22 days ago
Reply to  Famlin

software wasn’t finished at the time, therefore delivery was planned for Summer 2020 for quite a while now

Last edited 22 days ago by Blablubb
Counter-Strike Cat
20 days ago
Reply to  Famlin

You are a liar. No one buys the car now.
Customers are buying the car = paying the money at the day of delivery.

Famlin
20 days ago

We have see so many people take money from Big Oil & OPEC and bluff against Tesla on a daily basis.
Its not just Tesla,even BYD are ramping up and have launched Han full size BEV with PHV variant at a price tag of $32K. Ask Benz, BMW, Audi, Porsche, Lexus, Acura, Maserati to pack up their full size sedans.

carlos
22 days ago

I live in Spain, and since Spain is different (read, retarded) what else could happen than that the ID3 configurator is still not operational here…

Pajda
22 days ago
Reply to  carlos

🙂 🙂 🙂 Maybe there is an idea that Seat el-Born (ID3 conterpart) will be significantly more popular in Spain? Actually this leads to the question what is with the el-Born?

Btw. In Czechia there are rumors that Škoda Enyaq (ID4 counterpart) will be officially released 01.09.2020

Last edited 22 days ago by Pajda
Famlin
22 days ago

Started manufacturing on 2019-07-04, but delivering on 2020-10 and thats nearly 11 months later. Surprising. I hope at least they sell by October.

Blablubb
22 days ago
Reply to  Famlin

Deliveries of the first edition are scheduled for end of summer, which is the first September weeks

Last edited 22 days ago by Blablubb
Cesar
22 days ago

The ProS has a really good price, specially after the 9000 € cut in Germany. It is gonna hurt to Tesla.

Famlin
22 days ago
Reply to  Cesar

ID.3 competitor is Nissan Leaf, for sure it will grab some sales from Leaf. Tesla is in a whole different game being a far superior spacious car.

Alex
22 days ago
Reply to  Famlin

Not sure the Tesla is really that much more spacious… But I totally agree on the sentiment. The people who say id3 is going to reduce model 3 sales are just wrong, or maybe German. Elsewhere in Europe VW is seen as a mainstream brand similar to Toyota, Peugeot or Honda. Tesla is seen as premium car maker similar to Audi, Mercedes or BMW. Yes many German snobs disagree but if you say similar to premium brands such as (and don’t name a German brand) Volvo, Alfa Romeo and Lexus everyone can agree. Many people are willing to pay a premium for a Lexus over a Toyota, a Volvo instead of a Peugeot, or an Audi over a VW.

Last edited 22 days ago by Alex
Counter-Strike Cat
20 days ago
Reply to  Alex

Tesla is junk cars like Fiat and Ford.

22 days ago
Reply to  Famlin

Indeed, the Volkswagen ID.3 and the Nissan LEAF share the same potential buyers.

Nissan really needs to wake up and give the LEAF a good makeover.

1) Introduce a more energy-dense battery with a decent TMS and new NCM 811 cells to reach at least 400 km range in WLTP.
2) Adopt CCS and 100 kW fast charging.
3) Make the battery charge to 70 % by default, but give the driver the ability to easily adjust the charging SOC limit when needed.
4) Increase battery warranty to 500.000 km or 10 years to demonstrate confidence in the new battery…

Freddy
22 days ago
Reply to  Pedro Lima

Proud Leaf 40 2018 owner…totally agree with your comments!
Great car in terms of driving, space and trunk… but need a urgent update on mentioned issues.

Currently 45KKms in 2 years…will try to keep it a follows:
-6 to 10 years as main car (depending on degradation of battery);
– Up-to 20 years old as 2nd family car;
– Affterwards as battery to PV

Of course many things can change in 20 years…

Famlin
21 days ago
Reply to  Freddy

@Freddy
Proud Leaf 24 KWh 2013 owner. Nice car with smooth drive.
Can be classified as Crossover because its taller.
Sadly Nissan is ignoring Leaf. Even now, they can launch 80 KWh version for a 500 km / 300 mile range.
They can also add 4WD version by adding another smaller motor in rear. Just price it right or they may lose market share to upcoming ID.3 and other BEVs.

Mark
21 days ago
Reply to  Famlin

I think Leaf is a wonderful car but Nissan needs a whole new platform to accommodate a larger battery. Their Ariya has the new battery configuration with liquid cooling.
I do think they learned a lot from the Curren model and will be giving us a very nice successor.

Famlin
21 days ago
Reply to  Pedro Lima


I wish someone in Nissan reads your valid points.
This will happen only when BEVs grab big market share from ICE and the automakers start scrambling for market share, sales, profitability and so on.

Blablubb
22 days ago
Reply to  Famlin

ID.3 is a direct Model 3 competitor. Similar range, more trunk space, a bit smaller cabin space (the Model 3 has a long bonnet, so interior size is not that different), similar sparse interior. Lower price. Larger service and sales network. European producer (which Europeans typically like). However this does not mean that Model 3 sales will crash, but maybe limits their future market share in a growing European market. Tesla has already lost a lot of shares in Europe and has been shrinking in 2020, while the market has doubled. The Leaf is an out of data EV, the 2nd generation never lit the spark like the first generation, and sales in Europe are not that great.

Last edited 22 days ago by Blablubb
Blablubb
22 days ago
Reply to  Blablubb

Sorry, I should have mentioned here that the Model 3 comes with much higher performance package than a ID.3, which is a true differentiator. However, this is not relevant for the mainstream market. Many people in the past bought a Model 3, since it was just the best and only mid/long range EV available. Now they are starting to have serious choices (ID.3, Polestar, Renault, etc. etc.), which will double again 2021, and people will think twice what fits their needs. A premium for performance is not in everyone’s budget or willingness to spend. However, Model 3 will continue to find its buyers.

Last edited 22 days ago by Blablubb
Famlin
21 days ago
Reply to  Blablubb

Tesla Model 3 has 112 cu. ft. or 3.171 liters of total passenger and trunk space and this excludes the frunk (frontal trunk) space. So bonnet has some extra storage.

Overall Model 3 is much bigger vehicle and no wonder it sells like hotcakes. If you would like to compare ID.3 with Model 3, then you can compare ID.3 with Audi-A4, BMW 3 Series, Benz C series and so on. 

BTW Benz has decided to stop C series production and sales in North America soon. 
Why? Model 3 has captured 20 – 30 % of market from C Series especially the high margin, high end trims making it unprofitable to sell. This is the 1st heavy weight defeat for the German make.

Tesla did not lose market share, its just the Covid cut down their production and sales. Wait for Q3.

Freddy
21 days ago
Reply to  Famlin

believe at this point every BEV is compared with every BEV… it is due to very small quantity of models available…

The ID3 and TM3 are quite different in market posiitioning, but they do shoock eventually… Wehen ID3 finally launches the affordable version we can have a wider broadband of prices and market position. I personally (based on what i’ve seen in interior materials used in the ID3, clearly below VW level in order not to cannibalize golf)having 50KEUR (that I do not have), would ditch the preffered hatch on the ID3 for the TM3 SR+… The supercarger network alone in Portugal and Spain is enough reason…Ionity subsidized by EU prefers to install stalls outside EU (Norway, Switzerland) than in Portugal or Spain…

Last edited 21 days ago by Freddy
Counter-Strike Cat
20 days ago
Reply to  Famlin

You are the typical paid Tesla liar agent.
Model 3 has no demand and sales are crashing everywhere. There was zero volume lost due the shutdown, because the last ship to Europe just left before the shutdown.

Famlin
20 days ago

Can you please specify how much money you took from

  1. OPEC
  2. Big Oil
  3. Legacy automakers who dont want to make BEVs.

For your info, Tesla dont even advertise their products, why would they pay someone.

Freddy
19 days ago

Who is paid by Tesla?! Both myself and Famlin already informed we have Leaf’s…. not even TESLA Leaf’s though…eheheh
EV’s are sold as they are available in Europe…. no lack in demand for any brand… all are with orders fully booked for the year…
On Tesla website in Portugal there was not even any inventory (new or used) in early July…

GO GO ALL EV’s

Alyson V
12 days ago
Reply to  Cesar

Base level is the same as Tesla. Nothing above is going to hurt Tesla. To get any decent tech package in Euros you’re into the 40K range here and when I say “tech” I meant laughable tech. What could possibly compare to the billions of miles of experience being taught to the Tesla software along with the OTA updates? I rest my case.

Famlin
20 days ago

Celebrations. Tesla made profit for 4th quarter in a row. Impressive profits of $327 million.
It beats all the estimates. They settled down on Austin, Texas for cybertruck factory.

Ricardo
19 days ago
Reply to  Famlin

I don’t know if anyone told you but this kind of is an article about the ID.3. Not everyone wants your garbage or read about it. Oh, and then people act all surprised because we hate Tesla. Please go away. You have elektrek insidevs cleantechnica, hell, even electrive. Please please please God, don’t let this blog become another victim of these fanatical, taliban like, extreme extremists.

Ricardo
19 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

For the record, don’t really hate Tesla. That would be dumb. But it does annoy the hell out of me.

carlos
18 days ago

I must say I am underwhelmed. The prices for the ID3 1st in comparison with e.g. the Kia e-Niro or the Hyundai Ioniq are not spectacular and the equipment in the Korean cars trumps the ID3. I suspect VW are planning to sell enough to avoid the EU fines and will lower the prices once competitiion becomes fierce and subsidies dry up. Didn’t Diess say the ID3 was 40% cheaper to produce than the Golf?

Leo B
17 days ago
Reply to  carlos

Diess said in a German tv talkshow (probably a year or so ago): “We will soon bring a car that can do anything a Tesla can do, but better and at half the price.”
I think we should hold him to that promise 😉

Last edited 17 days ago by Leo B
Leo B
17 days ago
Reply to  Leo B

The talkshow I mentioned (it’s in German):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDn-_0CBaHU
The quote is at 45:24

carlos
16 days ago
Reply to  Leo B

I guess that’s why they put another CEO in place. VW don’t like cheaters.

Oh wait….