ŠKODA CITIGOe iV is officially unveiled

ŠKODA CITIGOe iV
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Ricardo
1 year ago

I still cannot believe this will cost less than 20000 Euro. If true, well then, I feel bad for those people who have just bought a brand new expensive ICE

Tommy
1 year ago
Reply to  Pedro Lima

Hi Pedro, that was a good read.

You said the battery costs no more than 4000 euro, do you have any source on that? Genuinely curious as to why do they cost double more than the base ICE counterpart.

Manuel Luis Gomes
1 year ago
Reply to  Ricardo

They can still sell it and buy an electric one!!

Jonas Jovial
1 year ago

Another vaporware from the VW group…

Paulo de Almeida
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonas Jovial

Don’t be ignorant! The VW e-Up has been on sale in the EU since 2014!!

Jonas Jovial
1 year ago

Go to a VW seller and try to buy one…

G
1 year ago

correction: Not MQB platform. That platform was too expensive for the Up!

Linus
1 year ago

If I can get this car for 19000 € or even 2-3000 € more I will buy one in september when they start selling the car in Sweden. A small car like this have much cheaper spare parts and tires too.

But it sounds to good to be true, hope I am wrong

Pajda
1 year ago

Pedro, excellent overview as always. I have just two remarks.
AEB (autonomous emergency braking) was an option for the triplets from the beginning of their production. AEB in triplets uses laser sensor in mirror holder and it is active up to 30 km/h. So now they probably upgrade this system also with the Lane Assist function by adding camera i think.
The second is that triplets never used MQB platform but dedicated NSF(New Small Family) platform also known as AA or PQ12 platform. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_New_Small_Family_platform.

Lars
1 year ago
Reply to  Pajda

In Denmark the automatic emergency break was standard from the beginning, the 30 km/h limit does however limit the usefulness of it.

Lars
1 year ago

I have to say that I am disappointed. It took them six years to upgrade the battery and now that they finally did they decreased the charging rate considerably. I surely hope they did put a TMS in and a heat pump for colder regions would be nice. The 7.2 kW AC charger is that a one phase or two phase charger?
For AC charging I would be more interested in the charge time for 0 – 100%.

Paulo de Almeida
1 year ago
Reply to  Lars

The charging rate of the e-Up has been always 40kw, and .2 kW AC !!! This a small city car … with a 36,8 kWh battery to charge speed is FAST ENOUGH ! Faster then a Nissan Leaf or Renault Zoe since the Skoda does not suffer from #rapidgate “

Lars
1 year ago

Paulo de Almeida: The charging rate is decreased, if you charge a 18,7 kWh battery with 40kW you have a C rate of over 2, if you charge a 36,8 kWh battery with 40 kW your C rate is just over 1. If you want to keep the same C rate to need to double the charging power when you double the capacity. How often do you drive 260 km in the city? If you want to use the car only for city driving you don’t need fast charging and the current model has enough range, but if you want to take the car out of the city you need more range and faster charging, they are going to give that car more range but not faster charging.

Neromanceres
1 year ago

Great article. And this looks like a great entry level vehicle. Just one small note. The etron is not on the MEB platform. It sits on a heavily modified MLB evo platform. The ID3 I believe will be VW’s first (of many) MEB vehicles.

Bim
1 year ago

Hats off to you Pedro, as always great articles.

Ralf K.
1 year ago

My educated guess: I think, they keep using PHEV2 cells – but now get hi-energy cells (instead of hi-power cells) with 60 Ah from Samsung SDI.

Current e-Up battery is 17s modules with 6s2p each. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VSiHxETfDc
13s in the lower plane, and 4s in the upper one.

They could have dropped the three center modules in the middle (keeping balance or replacing them with other stuff like the AC charger) and achieve 14s of 6s2p. This way they could keep all their modules assembly automation, as well as robotics programming for building the packs.

Eddie
1 year ago
Reply to  Pedro Lima

Why phev cells over bev

Cheaper?

Pajda
1 year ago
Reply to  Pedro Lima

Eddie: “VDE-PHEV2” defines a format of prismatic cell, but it is little tricky because there are available two modifications of internal chemistry/design in this format.
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First design is suited for PHEV and so it have greater charge/discharge rate and overall robustness, but the drawback is lower energy density (today it is 37 Ah, newer 42 Ah and maybe even 50 Ah). 37 Ah cells in PHEV modification are used in VW hybrids (passat GTE, Golf GTE and recently presented Škoda Superb iV and Audi)
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Second design is suited for BEV and it have the best available energy density but with less robustness. Today it is 50 Ah and 53 Ah in mass production and probably even 55 Ah and 60 Ah are already available. BEV modification was used in VW eGolf and e-UP! and the question is if Citigoe-iV still uses 60 Ah cells in this format, or they use pouch cells.

Pajda
1 year ago
Reply to  Ralf K.

Thanks Ralf, this is also a good explanation. But my scepticism says that using 60Ah in VDE-PHEV2 format today will be “too progressive for automotive industry”. I know that 50Ah and even 53Ah cells in VDE-PHEV2 standard are already in mass production by many chinese battery companies. But I do not know if 60Ah cell is already available in mass production too.