Smart EQ fortwo/forfour facelift could be revealed in September

Mercedes-Benz official product roadmap for 2018-2019

Thanks to the product roadmap that Mercedes-Benz released October last year we know that the Smart EQ fortwo/forfour facelift will arrive at the end of this year. However, only recently, increasing rumors suggest that the unveil will happen in September at the IAA (International Automobile Exhibition), which is the world’s largest motor show.

Considering that in 2020 Smart will completely stop selling the ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) variants, the facelift is essential to make the electric variants appealing enough to make sure that the ICE won’t be missed.

 

The smart vision EQ fortwo concept gives us some clues on what to expect.

smart vision EQ fortwo

 

For the facelift I expect the previously announced 30 kWh battery for more range, LED headlights, some efficiency tweaks (slight aerodynamic improvement) and a better price. Let’s not forget that at around the same time, Volkswagen will bring the electric city trio VW e-up 2.0, Skoda e-Citigo and Seat e-Mii with a WLTP range of 270 km for roughly 20.000 euros.

I think that the new smart EQ fortwo/forfour and the VW electric triplets will be the first electric cars that we can really call affordable without being dismissive of the general population – that can’t afford a 30.000-40.000 euros car.

Moreover, I still hope that soon enough we’ll add to that list the Renault Twingo ZE – that has been continuously postponed since 2014. If the new generation Renault ZOE gets the 600 km NEDC range – planned at least since 2015 -, the lower range and more affordable Twingo ZE could be sold without cannibalizing ZOE’s sales.

 

What do you think that Smart needs to make the upcoming transition to all electric successful?

 

 

More info:

https://blog.mercedes-benz-passion.com/2019/01/geruecht-smart-modellpflege-auf-der-iaa-2019/

https://media.mercedes-benz.com/article/af4a5928-901a-473f-94c3-92da3031fb49

This Post Has 8 Comments

  1. I think you can sell a small BEV by either giving it a long driving range or selling it for a low price. The e-up and the Smart ED would be fine with the current batteries if they were priced accordingly. In my eyes the Smart is a purely citycar and as such a range of 100 km would be enough. I think they would sell a lot more Smarts with the current battery for a price of 10.000 Euro than Smarts with twice the battery capacity for 20.000 Euro.
    The e-up is a bit bigger and can therefore be used for more than only city driving, but I think VW could still sell e-ups with the current battery if the price would be a lot lower.

  2. I think Smart should keep manufacturing the gasoline engine. There are those who still travel a longer distance than CITY DRIVING to work who need this gasoline version. There are just so many used Smarts on dealer lots to be had.PLEASE RETHINK THIS FINAL CHANGE. We have a 2008 Passion and a 2013 Passion. We really love these little cars both bought on used car lots. Thank you for your time.

  3. What do we think “8th compact car” is? and could it be electric. A Mercedes ID hatchback?

    1. Since it’s in the SUV row, I think it’s the GLB, the new compact SUV/crossover.
      And YES, it will have its electric version – EQB. Maybe we’ll have to wait a bit longer for that. I hope not too much longer.

      https://electrek.co/2019/01/16/mercedes-benz-eqb-smaller-all-electric-suv/

      Similar class as upcoming Volvo XC40 EV.
      Audi also will have its own offering in that segment (mentioned in the article).
      Model Y will actually be bigger (similar to BMW X3, not X1 like these ones).

      Nice !

  4. Hey Pedro
    In Switzerland we have some website that offer a crazy deal for 24h. One of these portals offered a new Smart ED for 13’000CHF (~11’500€). Maybe they don’t make any money on this one deal, but neither Mercedes nor the dealer (EU import car) will be selling at a loss. They make money on it in one way or the other. One doesn’t know how many they sell, maybe just 1 or 10 or 100… unless you find an inside source you won’t know 😉

    But this tells us that they could sell these cars for WAY less if only they wanted to.. So all these kids stories about battery prices and EV’s are more expensive and bla bla bla are non-sense!

    They’ve sold Porsche, BMW and even Tesla Model S already for crazy prices..

    Cheers
    Dom

    1. That’s great. In Portugal the used units from 2012/2013 are selling for that price.

      Definitely, the only reason why electric cars with small batteries are still much more expensive than their ICE counterparts is because automakers prefer to sell the higher maintenance ICE variants for long term profits.

  5. Lots of people own two cars, and I agree there are plenty of people who won’t need to travel more than 100 km a day in their city car.

    But it doesn’t follow that a rated range of 100 km, even if it’s WLTP, is enough, nevermind the optimum. A rated range of 100 km means the car can go 100 km on a nice summer day, when it is new. Anxiety-free range on very cold winter days might be less than 50 km with the typical use — short trip to work, short trip home, a couple short trips more in the evening to get the kids to soccer practice, go get the groceries, or burn off some calories at the gym. When you repeatedly have to heat the cabin and there’s a lot of slush on the roads consumption increases dramatically.

    And the batteries should be sufficient to outlast the car. If the experience so far is instructive, degradation will vary significantly depending on many factors, but, all else being equal, a smaller battery means more charging cycles to cover a given distance, which in turn means higher degradation.

    I therefore think even a city car should have at least 160 km of WLTP range to begin with. Whatever capacity loss the 100 km car would have at 150 000 km, the 160 km version would have after 240 000 km. And that’s actually conservative, because the extra capacity makes it much easier to take better care of the battery — spending a lot of time at very high or low SoC degrades lithium batteries much faster than staying closer to half full.

    A reasonably efficient city car needs 10 kWh more capacity to add those 60 km rated range, so it should add less than $1500 to the overall cost. But if the buyer keeps the car until it can no longer serve, it will serve much longer than the 100 km car would. And if they sell after five years and 100 000 km, the first car may be down to 85 km while the second is 145 km. You lose the same amount of range regardless of pack size. (Why? Because capacity loss is proportional to pack size and number of charge cycles, but the number of cycles is inversely proportional to pack size. If battery X is twice the capacity of Y, it will remain so after a thousand charging cycles. But X drives twice as far in each charging cycle since it’s twice the capacity.)

    In short, a 160 km city car would probably be cheaper than a 100 km version of the same car! And it still may well not be the sweet spot, because range in cold conditions ten years down the line may still be insufficient (about 65 km as a rough guess).

    My 2012 Leaf SL has driven 80 000 km and lost 21.5% capacity. On normal winter days I’m down to about 55 km anxiety-free range (the car still drives after that, but I’d rather not test how much farther) if I don’t do anything special like set the temperature to minimum (turning off AC isn’t an option because the windows fog up in minutes).

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