Renault gets ready to produce the second generation Zoe

Renault Flins plant

Last month Renault announced some of its plans regarding electric cars such as the ones listed below.

  • Introduce a new Alliance electric platform in Douai to create a second Renault electric vehicle production site;
  • Double ZOE production capacity and the launch of a new ZOE at Flins, the only ZOE production site in the world;
  • Triple electric motor production capacities at Cleon and introduce a new generation electric motor from 2021.
  • Invest in Maubeuge for the production of the next generation of the Kangoo family, including the electric utility vehicle Kangoo Z.E.

 

Now, after a visit to the Renault Flins plant, Automobile Propre confirms that Renault will benefit from the traditional closure of the factory – scheduled for August – to prepare its lines to accommodate the new version of the Zoe and increase production. The production capacity increase is now possible due to the opening of the LG Chem battery plant in Poland early this year.

Automobile Propre states that starting from September, Renault will have the capacity to produce 440 Zoes per day. This equals to 8.800 monthly units if we exclude the weekends.

Anyway, both the Renault Clio V and the Zoe 2 will be on sale next year, but the new Clio should debut a little bit sooner than its electric counterpart. I still remember that both the current generation Clio IV and the Zoe were planed to be released in 2012, however the Zoe only arrived one year later, since Renault didn’t want the Zoe to divert sales from the Clio.

 

Renault industrial sites in France

 

We can already find spy shots of the new Renault Clio V that’s rumored to debut in October at the Paris Motor Show 2018. The second generation Renault Zoe should debut soon after.

 

Now, what to expect from the second generation Renault Zoe?

Honestly I don’t expect a battery capacity increase since the Zoe already got a big one less than 2 years ago, but also because LG Chem is still using NCM 622 battery cells in the newcomers Hyundai Kona EV and Jaguar I-PACE. Furthermore, the Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi CEO Carlos Ghosn already stated that he thinks that for the European and Asian markets, 300 km of “real” range (WLTP) is more than enough, now the priority is to get the price down. Only in the USA, the range is still considered to be a problem, that’s why the 2019 Nissan Leaf will get a battery capacity increase.

What it’s almost certain is that the second generation Zoe will finally get DC fast charging capability via CCS and safety features such as AEB, LKAS and ACC to achieve a 5-star Euro NCAP safety rating. The interior should also be improved, a more practical glove box and 60/40 split rear seats that fold flat are essential improvements.

Moreover, some industry insiders are certain that the new Zoe – just like the upcoming Clio V – will become a little longer, which can help with aerodynamics and cargo space. A bigger Zoe definitely paves the way for the long awaited Twingo ZE launch.

To sum up, I think that the new generation Zoe won’t get more range, but instead it’ll be able to charge faster and also be safer. Now the question is how much will it cost? Considering that the Nissan Leaf price starts at around 29.000 €, I think that the Renault Zoe should already be at least 5.000 € cheaper. By 2020, Renault should aim to sell it around 19.000 €.

What do you expect from the new generation Renault Zoe?

 

 

More info:

http://www.automobile-propre.com/renault-zoe-2-usine-flins-prepare-lancement-2019/

This Post Has 22 Comments

  1. Renault should start pushing the Zoe to replace the Clio as their preferred b-segment car.
    I hope the battery gets a slight increase, and perhaps an optional larger battery.
    I made a testdrive last winter, and the range was below the practical boundary (and charging was too slow).
    The Zoe is too big for me already, if a longer Zoe can open the door for the Twingo ZE, I am all for it. (with 300km in all weather types!!)
    And, very important, Pro-Pilot as an option on all trims. It is a safety feature and should not be dependent on me ordering leather seats and Bose sound systems, two options I am not interested in.
    Sound is always off and I prefer cloth seats.

    I agree with Carlos Ghosn that with range at or over 300km (~190miles) price is more important than range.
    Below €20k in 2020 would be fenomenale, a game changer.

    1. Carlos Ghosn does not sell an EV with 300 km of realistic range. The new Leaf does not have a realistic 300 km range and neither does the Renault Zoe 41 kWh. I have driven a Renault Zoe with 41 kWh battery for almost six month and in the winter the range is about 150 km and in the summer 200 km maybe a bit more, but not 300 km. A realistic range is at normal speed not at 50 km/h, if you go far you also go fast, so if you travel 100 km to work and 100 km back home every day you don’t drive those 200 km at 50 km/h. The range should be given at 110 km/h or 120 km/h.

      1. YMMV. I can get 320km regularly in the summer on my commute (60 to 80 km/h highways). Winter it’s 200-220 depending on weather.

      2. I don’t know where you live, but here in Denmark highway speeds are between 110 km/h and 130 km/h and at that speed the Zoe does not have a range of 300 km, that is what I stated. At city driving speeds the Zoe can probably reach a range of 300 km, but at city speeds I don’t need that kind of range, I can find a charger and recharge.

  2. Like what your saying but we do need more range on the batterys but if made longer it should have space for a few more i hope… and the dc fast charging will help too plus the seats that spit in two and glove box will help to… cant wait to see this when it comes

  3. I never ever buy Renault again. My Fluence ze SOH is 60% now, hired battery. Overlease and Renault dont want to change my battery although they must by contract. Two years waiting and they only say that there is a broken stock.
    Few fluences and they dont great the hire contract, imagine what will happen with more than 100000 Zoes hired batteries.
    Run away from Nissan Renault.
    Tesla, Hyundai or nothing….

  4. They can produce 1 million…no one wants that piece of sh****.. Zoe and Fluence are even worst and give more problems than normal IC engines…. Renault is contributing to a kill EV cars!

  5. “The interior should also be improved, a more practical glove box and 60/40 split rear seats that fold flat are essential improvements.”

    These sound obvious. But then, why wasn’t it obvious first time round ?

    1. Renault said that the one-piece rear seat was to save weight.

  6. Zoe 2 should have CCS DC charger with ~100 kW. Renault has earlier told they were working on this.

    Zoe uses a battery made up of 12 modules with each 8 cells = 96 cells in series. If they could make this battery box one module longer it could fit 14 modules, giving 112 cells in series, and a modest upgrade from 41 kWh to 48 kWh (without any cell energy density improvements). The higher max voltage will be above 400 V but still well below 500 V DC, so all normal (400 V) CCS chargers can be used. The car would DC charge 16.7% faster with same current. The Audi E-tron Quatro also use 112 cells in series.

    A rear seat with 60/40 split is needed.

    1. The should have added DC charging way back and at the latest when they introduced the 41 kWh battery. Having to wait for more than two hours to recharge your car is not acceptable. Charging a 22 kWh battery at 43 kW is OK, charging a 41 kWh battery at 22 kW is not OK.

  7. Ups, the E-tron Quattro uses 108 cells in series.

    1. Definitely, increasing the voltage is the way to go.

  8. So… this is the platform that the Leaf will use for the true second generation of the car for the 2020 model year?

    1. I would say “no”. It depends on what you mean by “true second generation” – or, what Nissan meant by it when the plans were presented. But as I understand it, a new generation means new from the ground up, beginning with the chassis. The 2018 LEAF is, as far as I understand, built on the same chassis as the 2017. And I think the 2019 will be as well – because it’s in 2020 that we’re supposed to get the “true second generation”.

      I am not sure how meaningful these distinctions are, at least not for purposes of deciding if one should buy this or that. Even though a car is new from the ground up, every subsystem, and often every part, is still just a small evolution of the previous version. It results in something new, but not necessarily something better. And between “generations” there are usually multiple small adjustments. I’ve seen on some car review shows they say the ride is usually better on the second model year of a given generation than the first, because the “chinks have been ironed out”.

      Sorry to go so off tangent. My short answer is “I don’t think so, I think it’ll get a new chassis in 2020”.

    2. Yes, that’s the plan at least since 2016.

      http://www.autonews.com/article/20161213/COPY01/312139967/renault-and-nissan-will-use-common-platform-for-evs

      “Deboeuf said the new generations of the Leaf and the Zoe will compete in the same segment but declined to say if the Zoe will grow in size to become a compact model or if the Leaf will be shrunk to become a subcompact.”

      I think that it’ll be the Zoe that’ll grow in size, then Renault will finally release the Twingo ZE.

  9. Ok thanks, I’m not in a hurry so maybe I’ll wait for the new chassis 2020 model year Leaf and pass on this 60kWh 2019 (unless it has a great price).
    Infiniti said to launch a new from the ground up infotainment system in 2021, and Infiniti always takes them from Nissan one year later or two so I suppose Nissan has a new infotaintment ready for the 2020 model year?
    And also, ProPilot 3.0 for the 2020 model year? (if not it will have the 2.0 for sure).

  10. It is logical to keep 22 kW onboard charger (and not downgrade) even if adding DC CCS feature, but I guess we still have to wait and see what they decide for ZOE 2 about AC charging.

  11. The motor , 3000euros, and the inverter 3000 euros, is the price of the electric parts of the ZOE. battery is 7500 euros. IS the difference price betwwen rent and nuy battery. SO the zoes is.. super overpriced, just sum up…
    13500. the battery and electric parts. to 32.000 euros it measns the zoes is 18.500 euros more expensive than a CLio.. .. .so of course.. 5-6000 euros more priced….

  12. okay this is all fantasyic but when will they sell them in the usa

  13. well, heard some people had serious problems with the charging of the 1st gen Zoe. hope with the 2nd gen the problem will be reduced. otherwise, the car is perfect for the big city with a heavy traffic.

    1. I drive a 2017 Renault Zoe, before it turned one year and when it had just driven over 10 000 km, it had an electric engine failure which resulted in that the electric engine had to be replaced. The car has the new R90 engine that can only charge with 22 kW. I am leasing the car, I would never buy it. It drives nice, but needing a replacement engine after less than a year it not what I call quality.

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