Volkswagen e-Golf 8 to get a 48 kWh battery

Volkswagen Golf 8

 

The next generation Volkswagen e-Golf is expected for 2019.

 

Currently Volkswagen still has its mind focused in plug-in hybrids, that’s why its BEV and PHEV cars share the same type of battery cells (PHEV 2) – with high power density, but average energy density. However, while using battery cells designed for BEVs – with higher energy density – would be better, it doesn’t mean that Volkswagen all-electric cars can’t be great.

 

Auto Bild reports that the next generation Volkswagen Golf 8 in its electric variant will get a 48 kWh battery, enough for 420 km (NEDC) range. If this proves to be true, it means that Volkswagen will finally start using the new 50 Ah PHEV2 battery cells of Samsung SDI.

Furthermore, Auto Bild also expects the next e-Golf to be more efficient and have a more powerful 204 hp (152 kW) motor.

 

This next generation Volkswagen e-Golf 8 is expected to be the last electrified effort from Volkswagen before moving to an entirely new platform, the Modular Electrification Toolkit (MEB), which is showcased with the I.D. concept. This concept electric car has been advertised with a 600 km (NEDC) range, which would translate to a more realistic 400 km (249 miles) range.

 

Volkswagen I.D. concept electric car

 

Adapting to change is a painful and slow process, especially to an enormous company such as Volkswagen, however there is no denying that it’s happening.

 

Update: the latest information available suggests that Volkswagen will bring the electric ID hatchback as a replacement for the e-Golf already in late 2019/early 2020. This means that the eighth-generation Golf might not get an electric variant, however it doesn’t mean that the current generation e-Golf won’t get a battery upgrade before the arrival of its successor.

 

Advances in battery technology will improve range, weight and costs by Volkswagen

 

Next year the new Samsung SDI battery plant in Hungary will start the production of PHEV2 50 Ah and BEV2 120 Ah battery cells. While the BMW i3 will definitely get its battery cells upgraded from 94 to 120 Ah, the Volkswagen plug-in cars will probably be upgraded from 37 to 50 Ah.

The biggest advantage of automotive prismatic standardized battery cells is that they allow quick and easy upgrades. It would be a pity if Volkswagen doesn’t take advantage of it as soon as possible…

 

 

More info:

1.) Geely (Volvo) buys Lotus – will we see an electric Lotus soon ? 😉 2.) E-Golf 2019, 48 kWh battery 420 km range, up…

Posted by ELECTRIC CARS World News on 2017 m. gegužė 30 d.

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vw-golf-8-2019-vorschau-technik-motoren-5266049.html

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7 Responses

  1. Rafael says:

    La verdadera revolución del coche eléctrico a batería vendra cuando estas den el salto tecnologico tan esperado por tantos. ¿Sera Oxis energy capaz de llegar a comercializar sus celdas Li-S de 500 wh/kg para 2020?. ¿Y las Li-S de Sion Power de 400 wh/kg?. Muchas empresas que prometian el “milagro” se han quedado por el camino como Solid Energy, Prietto Battery, Enervate corporation,Seeo, Sakty3 y otras tantas más. Por cierto a día de hoy me sigue sorprendiendo de sobremanera que no se esten comercializando aquella celda que se presento el año pasado 2016 desarrollada por una universidad Coreana y BMW que daba 350 wh/kg y 500 ciclos a 1C/1C. ¿Se sabe algo al respecto?.

    • Pedro Lima says:

      Hi Rafael.

      It’s definitely strange that many impressive battery cells have been successfully tested and proven by independent laboratories, yet they never reach the market…

      I think that the most promising battery technology it’s from Sion Power, since it was acquired by LG Chem and not by some shady corporation.

  2. Ralf K says:

    Current e-Golf 7 battery:
    88s 3p – VDA PHEV2 size cell, 37 Ah – 35,8 kWh gross, 31,5 kWh net
    17x 4s3p + 10x 2s3p

    My guestimate on the battery of e-Golf 8
    88s 3p – VDA PHEV2 size cell, 50 Ah – 48 kWh gross
    17x 4s3p + 10x 2s3p
    150 kW motor

    Thus, they likely keep the battery pack design and once more only change the cells. And the fuses to allow for the more powerful motor. Eventually they upgrade charging to 100 kW DC.

    Components are likely the same for VW id. New “chocolate” battery for MEB wih various sizes available, depending on wheelbase (physical limit) and customer choice (battery choice).

    90 kWh – 96s 5p – VDA PHEV2 size cell, 50 Ah
    72 kWh – 96s 4p – VDA PHEV2 size cell, 50 Ah
    54 kWh – 96s 3p – VDA PHEV2 size cell, 50 Ah
    36 kWh – 96s 2p – VDA PHEV2 size cell, 50 Ah
    150 kW electric motor

    My guestimates on more cars (PHEVs)
    Audi Q8 e-tron – spring 2018, 3.0 V6 Turbo Otto, MLB evo platform
    104s 1p = 8s 13s1p VDA PHEV2 size cell, 50 Ah
    19,2 kWh
    made from 13s1p modules, which are 48V modules, and one 48V battery will likely come to many more future MLBevo models. Audi A8 D5 starts this shift.
    Many more PHEVs by VW, Porsche, Audi can then be upgraded to the 50 Ah PHEV2 cells.

    And finally: the sports version, which will get its own platfom name
    Porsche Mission E / Pajun (J1)
    208s 2p 16s 13s2p VDA PHEV2 size cells 60 Ah, 26 cell module by Samsung SDI
    93,6 kWh
    This is the 780VDC battery (common name 800V) they want to combine with the proposed 350 kW DC charging, which more likely is a 800V, 200A (156 kW DC – common name 150 kW) or 800V, 300A (234 kW – common name 225 kW) or 800V, 400A (312 kW – common name 300 kW) charging at 800V chargers, depending on capabilites. At “traditional” 400V chargers (half charging rate, double charging time) they likely charge two half batteries in a time-multiplexing manner or use an internal voltage converter.
    I call it the Samsung SDI showcase in BEVs.

    Regarding new chemistries: Volkswagen (and other major car manufacturers) cannot rely on snake-oil or future potentially better batteries. But they needed to make contracts years ago to then produce cars in 2019/2020 onwards. And they need a roll-out plan, introducing the cells slowly in a one-many-all principle to reduce risks. The internal battery designers however will create internal versions with all kinds of physical cells: 18650, 2170, various pouches, and various prismatic cells to change the cell format / supplier if economically advisable. And to have more bidders for their large battery contracts.

    FMPOV the new chemistries will be tested and evaluated and eventually incorporated into new versions cells of traditional formats increasing the AmpHours there.

  3. Jacob Jørgensen says:

    Are you sure you got the original german article right ? The ’48’ could that just be the new low voltage battery voltage ? That standard seems to be the new ‘thing’ in the car industry.

    • Pedro Lima says:

      AutoBild changed the article and removed the reference to the 48 kWh battery when Volkswagen said that the ID Hatchback will replace the e-Golf and there will be no electric variant of the eighth-generation Golf.

      However, this doesn’t mean that the 48 kWh battery won’t come to the current seventh-generation using the upcoming 50 Ah PHEV cells from Samsung SDI (264 x 50 Ah x 3,667 V = 48,4 kWh).

      Samsung SDI announced in April last year that the PHEV2 battery cells will be upgraded from 37 to 50 Ah and the BEV2 type will be upgraded from 94 to 120 Ah.

      https://pushevs.com/2016/05/07/samsung-sdi-went-to-beijing-motor-show/

      • Enoch says:

        I highly doubt the 48 kWh battery will make it to the MK7.5 e-Golf. 2018 will still be 35.8 kWh, then in 2020 the ID comes on board, which means if VW upgraded the e-Golf battery to 48 kWh, they would only do it for one year, 2019. That doesn’t make economic sense because if VW wants to really compete with Tesla, they need to use the 60 Ah cells in the ID, so buying only a limited number of 50 Ah cells for one year would be the 2019 e-Golf crazy expensive. The ID is supposedly the crown jewel in VW’s electric push, they are spending billions going all in. The e-Golf is just a transition model, there is no reason they are spending more money on the e-Golf.

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