Remember the Nissan Leaf modded by Kreisel Electric?

Nissan Leaf with 22 kW internal charger by Kreisel Electric


Did Nissan learned anything from Kreisel Electric?


While most of us wanted Nissan to finally move from CHAdeMO/type 1 to CCS/type 2 charging standards, things aren’t this simple. There is absolutely no reason for Nissan not adopting the type 2 (AC) standard in Europe, however leaving the CHAdeMO (DC) standard would be a problem, since Nissan already invested a lot of resources in DC fast chargers around the world, and modifying them to CCS would take extra time and money.

The simple solution to keep – almost – all of us happy is easy, keep the CHAdeMO but ditch the type 1 standard in the new generation Nissan Leaf. In 2015, Kreisel Electric showed us this is a valid option. The Austrian company developed an internal 22 kW AC charger for the Leaf and the e-NV200.

As you know the type 1 standard doesn’t support 3-phase charging, so Kreisel Electric had to use the official European AC charging standard, the type 2.


Below we have more photos.


Nissan Leaf with 22 kW internal charger by Kreisel Electric


Nissan Leaf with 22 kW internal charger by Kreisel Electric


Nissan Leaf with 22 kW internal charger by Kreisel Electric details


I brought this topic up for discussion since many persons believe that in the new generation Nissan Leaf – showed in the photo below -, the right charging socket is type 2, since it seems too big for type 1.


Camouflaged second generation Nissan Leaf


In Europe every electric car should have a 3-phase 22 kW internal charger for everyday use, and the ability to charge up to 80-100 kW at a DC fast charger when needed. Can Nissan do it? If it does, the new generation Nissan Leaf can do very well, even with a 40 kWh battery.

In some occasions a faster internal charger makes more sense than carrying a bigger, costlier and heavier battery all the time. What do you think?

Even the introduction of a 3-phase 11 kW internal charger would be nice. This is what BMW did to the i3 with bigger battery capacity in Europe. Don’t forget that Nissan considers BMW to be its most direct adversary regarding electric cars…

What would you prefer? A new generation Nissan Leaf with a 40 kWh battery and a 22 kW internal charger, or an Opel Ampera-e with a 60 kWh battery and a 7,4 kW internal charger, which is at least 5.000 € more expensive? I would choose the first option.



More info:

Kreisel Electric stellt 22 kW On-Board-Ladegerät für Nissan Leaf und e-NV200 vor

Pedro Lima

More than natural resources, are wasted human resources that bothers me the most. That’s why I’m a strong advocate of a society based on cooperation, not competition, that helps every individual to reach his full potential so that he can contribute back to society. “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”.

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12 Responses

  1. Alnair says:

    Depends on everyone needs. For me, charging at 7,4 kW at night is ok, and a I will need fast charge very rarely. For others, is better a fast charging option.

    Also note with a smaller battery, say 20 kW, will need to charge twice than a large one, say 40 kW, reducing the lifespan of the battery to half, all other things equal. So the only issue is the extra weight you carry.

  2. sapcmc says:

    I would very much prefer 22kW AC charge or 11kW but what I think or not is pointless for Nissan or any other auto maker. They hardly listen to users.

  3. Pajda says:

    I think that for Nissan is still a logical choice to stay with CHAdeMO with this new generation. Because there are simply still more CHAdeMO chargers around the world and almost all new DC chargers are multistandard. But useful thing should be to use Mennekes in EU rather than Yazaki. Even if there will be only single-phase charger onboard. But I do not believe in it.

  4. Michael Roberts says:

    Why don’t they have CHAdeMO and CCS type 2 with 7.4Kw charger, then they will cover all markets and only have to produce one type.

  5. Terawatt says:

    Probably the Ampera-e, even if those were the only differences. But certainly when the Opel also has twice the power, is better looking, roomier and more fun to drive. Then again maybe not if its seats are as bad as rumor has it.

  6. Apkungen says:

    3,6kw internal charger is all I need and then I want 200kW DC capability. 11kw and 22kw is to me a complete waste. I simply don’t see the use for it.

  7. Leafer says:

    Typ 2 with 7,4 kW and CHAdemO would be fine, don’t need more at home and the CHAdeMO chargers (or triple chargers) are really growing fast in Germany.

  8. Asle H says:

    While we’re at it with the “I” thing. I would like to get a 3-phase 16A onboard charger rather than having a 1-phase 32A option like they have now.

    Best option would be Chademo AND CCS.

  9. lo says:

    Living in VW country (4x more CCS than CHAdeMO) the answer is Ampera-e. (Currently I drive a C-Zero.)

  10. simone says:

    3 phase charger should be standard for every car. Single phase create a lot of imbalance in the infrastructure and are also much slower in charging

    • Knut Erik Ballestad says:

      …and also, many places the local grid company doesn’t allow 32A single-phase setups without you first applying for a permit, and then you get dictated which phase to use when the electrician installs your setup.

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