Remember the Nissan Leaf modded by Kreisel Electric?

Nissan Leaf with 22 kW internal charger by Kreisel Electric

While most of us wanted Nissan to finally move from CHAdeMO/type 1 to CCS/type 2 charging standards, things aren’t this simple. There is absolutely no reason for Nissan not adopting the type 2 (AC) standard in Europe, however leaving the CHAdeMO (DC) standard would be a problem, since Nissan already invested a lot of resources in DC fast chargers around the world, and modifying them to CCS would take extra time and money.

The simple solution to keep – almost – all of us happy is easy, keep the CHAdeMO but ditch the type 1 standard in the new generation Nissan Leaf. In 2015, Kreisel Electric showed us this is a valid option. The Austrian company developed an internal 22 kW AC charger for the Leaf and the e-NV200.

As you know the type 1 standard doesn’t support 3-phase charging, so Kreisel Electric had to use the official European AC charging standard, the type 2.

 

Below we have more photos.

 

Nissan Leaf with 22 kW internal charger by Kreisel Electric

 

Nissan Leaf with 22 kW internal charger by Kreisel Electric

 

Nissan Leaf with 22 kW internal charger by Kreisel Electric details

 

I brought this topic up for discussion since many persons believe that in the new generation Nissan Leaf – showed in the photo below -, the right charging socket is type 2, since it seems too big for type 1.

 

Camouflaged second generation Nissan Leaf

 

In Europe every electric car should have a 3-phase 22 kW internal charger for everyday use, and the ability to charge up to 80-100 kW at a DC fast charger when needed. Can Nissan do it? If it does, the new generation Nissan Leaf can do very well, even with a 40 kWh battery.

In some occasions a faster internal charger makes more sense than carrying a bigger, costlier and heavier battery all the time. What do you think?

Even the introduction of a 3-phase 11 kW internal charger would be nice. This is what BMW did to the i3 with bigger battery capacity in Europe. Don’t forget that Nissan considers BMW to be its most direct adversary regarding electric cars…

What would you prefer? A new generation Nissan Leaf with a 40 kWh battery and a 22 kW internal charger, or an Opel Ampera-e with a 60 kWh battery and a 7,4 kW internal charger, which is at least 5.000 € more expensive? I would choose the first option.

 

 

More info:

http://www.mennekes.de/uploads/media/Type2_with_Shutter_01.pdf

Pedro Lima

I grew up on a tough neighborhood and am not a privileged guy, my true nature is violent, even if I try to hide it because I'm not proud of it. I try to overcome my violent nature by learning more about geeky things like batteries, but I'm far from being an expert and don't pretend to be one. I also graduated in Sociology, to learn more about others and pacify myself.

This Post Has 13 Comments

  1. Depends on everyone needs. For me, charging at 7,4 kW at night is ok, and a I will need fast charge very rarely. For others, is better a fast charging option.

    Also note with a smaller battery, say 20 kW, will need to charge twice than a large one, say 40 kW, reducing the lifespan of the battery to half, all other things equal. So the only issue is the extra weight you carry.

  2. I would very much prefer 22kW AC charge or 11kW but what I think or not is pointless for Nissan or any other auto maker. They hardly listen to users.

  3. I think that for Nissan is still a logical choice to stay with CHAdeMO with this new generation. Because there are simply still more CHAdeMO chargers around the world and almost all new DC chargers are multistandard. But useful thing should be to use Mennekes in EU rather than Yazaki. Even if there will be only single-phase charger onboard. But I do not believe in it.

  4. Why don’t they have CHAdeMO and CCS type 2 with 7.4Kw charger, then they will cover all markets and only have to produce one type.

  5. Probably the Ampera-e, even if those were the only differences. But certainly when the Opel also has twice the power, is better looking, roomier and more fun to drive. Then again maybe not if its seats are as bad as rumor has it.

  6. 3,6kw internal charger is all I need and then I want 200kW DC capability. 11kw and 22kw is to me a complete waste. I simply don’t see the use for it.

    1. I would definitely choose the ampera e. No question about it.

  7. Typ 2 with 7,4 kW and CHAdemO would be fine, don’t need more at home and the CHAdeMO chargers (or triple chargers) are really growing fast in Germany.

  8. While we’re at it with the “I” thing. I would like to get a 3-phase 16A onboard charger rather than having a 1-phase 32A option like they have now.

    Best option would be Chademo AND CCS.

  9. Living in VW country (4x more CCS than CHAdeMO) the answer is Ampera-e. (Currently I drive a C-Zero.)

  10. 3 phase charger should be standard for every car. Single phase create a lot of imbalance in the infrastructure and are also much slower in charging

    1. …and also, many places the local grid company doesn’t allow 32A single-phase setups without you first applying for a permit, and then you get dictated which phase to use when the electrician installs your setup.

  11. All EV manufacturers need to upgrade their internal AC charging capabilities as AC will always be the prevailing platform due to its low cost. It is quite clear that as battery capacity increases so does the requirement for more powerful charging capabilities than our domestic supplies will allow, therefore we will become more reliant on destination charging at the places we work or spend our leisure time. To install DC in these locations is prohibitively expensive and in the case of many businesses does not benefit them directly. In my view all EVs must have the capability to charge effectively from both platforms, and therefore require a minimum of 22kw onboard AC.

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